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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 222 for you numerologists

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out there 222 for the twenty first of

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January 2013 Richard Saunders here with

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you from an overcast Sydney Australia in

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the past weeks folks in the past week

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Sydney experienced on Friday its hottest

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recorded day in history oh yes what was

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it 45.8 you can do the conversion to

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Fahrenheit at some time if you wish but

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believe me it was hot oh yes not as hot

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as the skeptic zone this week we're

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going to kick off with maynards

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interview with dr. Chrissy Wilson and

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dr. Chrissy who was at the melbourne

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convention just a few months ago we'll

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be discussing her opinions on stage

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psychics for stage performers or people

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who claim they have special psychic

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power to talk to dead people and charge

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money now it's no shock to know that

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Chrissy is none too pleased with these

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people anyway find out more at the top

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of the show with maynards spooky action

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and then after that main ads back

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briefly with me I went to see Maynard

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being the MC for a sort of a public QA

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of characters from a very popular TV

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show here in Australia called danger 5

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and I went along to see Maynard in true

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form it was really good to see him there

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handling the audience and talking to the

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cast of this crazy show if you've got

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time Google danger 5 have a look at some

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of the clips it's outrageous it's really

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it reminds me of something like Spike

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it's crazy world war two it's ridiculous

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it's over the top but it's good fun

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anyway a little chat with may not about

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danger 5 just for the hell of it and I

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think we want to get a campaign going

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folks we want main are to appear in the

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next series of danger 5 we really do I

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think you'd be fantastic

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following that little chat with Maynard

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and the reason why the skeptic zone is a

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little bit late this week yesterday I

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got up nice and early went downtown here

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and said they jumped on a bus at 7am and

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headed for Canberra to spend the day

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with the camera skeptics now they were

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having a free public screening of Brian

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Dunning's wonderful documentary here be

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dragons so I went along enjoyed some

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time with the camera skeptics went along

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to the screening of here be dragons with

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an audience of about 80 people which was

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fantastic and then afterwards repaired

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to King O'Malley's pub where we recorded

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a camera think tank lots of nice people

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down there in the Australian Capital

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Territory and a big shout out to laws

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Amanda and Kevin and all the people who

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came along to enjoy the day in Canberra

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coming up soon on the skeptic zone more

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news about the Australian

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anti-vaccination network or what's left

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of them it's an interesting thing to see

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they're almost disintegrating before our

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very eyes good news for children

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everywhere that this band of interesting

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people are sort of hopefully hopefully

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in their death rattle we'll keep you up

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to date and I think dr. Rach you might

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have something to say about that coming

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up very soon on the skeptic zone but for

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now I'm going to run downstairs open the

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his main art spooky action at a distance

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but we're here in the green room now

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which is not green and I'm here with

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head of Brian darling isn't it hello I'm

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right nothing from sipdroid touch me

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touch me now picture of your lose it all

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got one me in there no we haven't we

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will have the next year but look I went

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into the main hall here and you are

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getting around to chat sick sick sick

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sick carrot now what was that all about

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and who are you what what are you doing

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here making people feel sick well it

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wouldn't be my job skeptics convention

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unless I got people to pointlessly

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chance something that time two years ago

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I managed to get everybody to jot Aussie

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Aussie Aussie oi oi oi no reason

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whatsoever except that I can no it was

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actually 666 not sick right and why does

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chanting 6 make you want to say carrot

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dis weird little experiment and I've

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carrot it might be one of these sort of

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population stereotype things and I think

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of a number between one and ten and a

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lot of people think of three or seven

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to have and think of a vegetable think

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of a tool and people would always say

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carrot and a hammer they were normally

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what's your doctorate in once again well

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but the subject was memories oh I looked

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at memory biases for both normal and

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paranormal events so I did a lot of work

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on false memory creation so some of

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things actually that Richie was saying

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earlier about about how we can't trust

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our memory eyewitness testimony how

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eyewitness testimony is very vulnerable

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to all kinds of biases so that was the

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police lineup is that just fraught with

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the chance everything to go horribly

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wrong because of memory as well

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absolutely I mean in America eyewitness

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testimony direct i witnessed yes it was

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him was you know as powerful as a

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smoking gun that these days because of

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people like Elizabeth Loftus who's like

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the queen of memory research and

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shown that memory is incredibly

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misinformation we can get misinformation

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particular belief systems all those kind

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of things will affect our memory and so

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about memory so instead of thinking of

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memory as a continuously recording tape

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of something how should we think of

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memory well memory is a good analogy

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it's not this video camera camcorder in

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our heads it's a far more active fluid

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process so if I ask you now I think back

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were really happy during the sixteenth

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year now what you're doing now you're

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not flicking through your camera or

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camcorder and playing back a memory with

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perfect clarity in perfect accuracy what

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that memory so it's a brand new memory

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if you like and it's open to all the

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things that have happened to you since

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we experience this is why when you break

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them as the bad things and you tend to

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coping mechanism and what attracted you

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to psychology I mean the UM I mean apart

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goes on there that you can physically

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tell what's going on and even then they

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a gray area for a lot of people and a

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lot of arguments over data that doesn't

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interested in psychology because I've

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always been interested in what makes

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people tick you know what is it why do

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creatures we don't make decisions based

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cons are certain things we make

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decisions based on emotions usually and

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another reasons it's not about evidence

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creatures and so I think it was it was

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that really thick makeup you had the

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really thick tights oh don't get

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thrombosis and yeah and you had that

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estee lauder ESP lipstick on which they

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were as well so your skin would have

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been taking a beating for start yeah it

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know because I could imagine do you act

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is it like a stage performer when you're

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an air hostess you have to reapply make

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up a couple of times a day well yeah I

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didn't I fed up with it you know I just

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want the money and go to some exotic

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blazes you know but um it was while I

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concerned donor and dumps like that um

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that area and but it was tripping up and

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so why does a really fat guy get the

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middle seat yeah and why does he always

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sit next to me so that's I guess that's

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that's where it started and then I did a

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degree while I was still being an edge

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dude as I did it in part time which was

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very hard you know I'd come in from a

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flight from New York race straight up to

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London and do three hours studying in

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race back again so that was interesting

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thought right I'm going to make this a

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career and the PhD just was the the next

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logical step you asked earlier why do

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people do impulsive things well you've

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yourself you went along to a psychic

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doing a show on your own and heckled him

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yeah well it was nothing impulsive about

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it really was it was research it was a

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considered risk you took well I I have I

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any way you know I am open-minded but I

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mediums the ones that know perfectly

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well that what they are doing is is

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wrong that as you know you know they're

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most vulnerable and they're con artists

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scum of the earth in my opinion um so I

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went along to to watch because it you

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know this is why this is one of the

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things that does get me riled up in

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skepticism is why I am a skeptic things

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like that I hate to see that because the

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worst of it is that in the audience

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there were people who were in tears

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really upset because they thought that

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this clown was talking to the spirits of

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their dead loved ones and I find that a

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barn well Penn Jillette has recently

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said that the great crime in that is yes

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they're being filled yes the money's

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being taken but they're also corrupting

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the memory that person had of that

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person so that the memory they had of

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them has now been changed by this

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reading yeah absolutely very good point

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and done not only that but all

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bereavement counselors bereavement

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psychologists will tell you that

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the way to deal with it is to accept

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that your loved one has gone it takes a

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long time and it is a grieving process

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to go along to psychics and constantly

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be told that oh yeah he's all right

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sending his love to you you know all

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this sort of thing it just prolongs the

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process it doesn't do them any good and

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I'm this is there ever if you do know

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the case everywhere there's a negative

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message being sent from the person from

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beyond you know beyond this life you

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know like I wish should be nicer to me

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or something or you know we could have

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gone out more yeah not never and I've

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been to I've seen Riley I've seen lots

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of them in England been to spiritualist

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church is to watch and you never you

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never get a negative message I mean if I

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was dead um hole I came back with a

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message i mean i think i'd be a bit

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annoyed romero i'm not happy update not

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where i prefer to be yeah people who

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died surely they they don't all die full

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of love for their particular their

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particular partners and their children

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it says somebody Shorty's some of them

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are a bit miffed about some actually no

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I don't forgive you for the time you

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slept with the next door neighbor alone

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annoyed about it actually so at the end

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of the show you mentioned the fact of

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cold reading during the Q&A section in

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the show and the audience turned on you

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oh yeah very much so I mean I was kind

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of expecting it but it was it was very

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very vitriolic I mean it was nasty I

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mean you know yes I guess you were

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taking away the connection with their

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loved one that's what you were doing

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well I guess I guess why they got so

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upset was because I was attacking

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somebody that they believed was real and

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but interestingly even I mean at the end

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of the show we started to troop out

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people came up to me and ask me

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questions and they they weren't shouting

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at me then they were asking questions

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they wanted to know well why do you

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think this and why do you think that

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it's not real haven't you had you know

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you aren't you open-minded to this kind

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of thing and so I was I spent a lot of

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time after the event talking to people

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because they sow the seeds of doubt may

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well have been implanted in some of them

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at least but it was it was not pleasant

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it wasn't to be in that situation I know

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I'm glad I

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would you do it again absolutely

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absolutely because a guy said I find it

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utterly abhorrent that these people are

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allowed to do this and that but it

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doesn't matter what you say if I stood

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up there and I proved all the women in

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that audience this man is a con artist I

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can prove it won't make any difference

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you know they are choosing to believe

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because they want to believe it's very

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very seductive to believe that someone

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can get in touch with your dead loved

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one I mean it's a terrible thing that we

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humans have to go through bereavement

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process is horrible it can crucify you

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can crush you so how seductive to have

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somebody you can actually communicate

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with your dead child so you have one

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last conversation with them so but it's

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it's horrible because it's not real and

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it's not the fact that they're making

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money that doesn't bother me now we'll

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make money doing something it's not that

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it's the fact that he's hurting people

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that is cheating and exploiting people

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at their most vulnerable so yes I would

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absolutely do it again well you went

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along to to a show what what can the

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average person do well you can't really

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write and complain about what they're

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doing because it's legal yeah I guess

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you can you can go on to his website you

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can look at the claims that he makes and

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you can email him and say this is this

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is nonsense you can confront him with

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with evidence that the other people like

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him have been shown to be con artists

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I've just remembered though during the

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question and answer section session when

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I was talking to him I said look what do

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you think of John Edward then don't you

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know do you think John Edward is for

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real and he he said yeah it's absolutely

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for real bit of course he's been proven

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to be this is comedy okay arrived oh

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yeah now Cristobal's need you what are

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you working on for your project can all

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get involved with your mentioning that

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are you doing something on the internet

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now just to do with these soap suds yes

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yes soap is my research unit that I set

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up this year so I'm doing various

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studies so if anybody wants to get

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involved with it they can log on to the

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website and what are the questions are

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going to be asked well the one that's up

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there at the moment is about happiness

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and generals our well-being along with

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questions about belief religious belief

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and paranormal believe so it's a

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correlational study looking at whether

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or not believers happier oh that's

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difficult to work out on a scale of one

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to ten particularly when relative

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happiness is taken into account as well

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yeah well the scales that I use are from

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positive vehicle positive psychology so

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I like to because anomalistic psychology

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is such a small field I like to pick

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things from various areas within

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psychology so there's cognitive

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psychology in there as behaviorism

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there's personality and the the

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happiness scales are actually from

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positive psychology so their standard

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question is I didn't write them fairly

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lengthy and they've been used over and

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over again so they've got good validity

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but good reliability measures and the

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belief scales are the same they're

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always scales that I always use the same

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scales that other researchers have used

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for like 20 30 odd years so they've got

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good reliability the only worry I would

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have in the study is that is it what

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they call it a self-selecting study so

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you'll get a certain group of people

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that could skew it some way or something

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absolutely i mean that's that's a

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problem that all researchers have when

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you advertise for research I mean and

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there's also the question of the

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validity of using questionnaires at all

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and there's a school of thought which

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would that suggests that well

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questionnaire data how reliable is it

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because if you ask people to fill out a

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questionnaire how do you know that what

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they're actually saying is true how do

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you know that they're not skewing the

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results deliberately that are not

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sabotaging I think one of the members of

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the audience asked me this earlier in

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the question-and-answer session so you

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can't be absolutely sure I mean science

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is a human activity we do the best we

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can we try to eliminate some of the

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biases we try to eliminate any any

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potential threats to scientific control

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we do our best and in psychology we have

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this ninety-five percent probability

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factor which which helps too

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um suggests that what we've got is

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actually a real result ninety-five

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percent chance that this is real so

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there's only a five percent chance that

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it could be down to something else

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something that we haven't controlled

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full so we do our best it's it's it's

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flawed because the whole process is

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flawed no matter what kind of research

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you do because we are using human

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participants now whenever we use human

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participants you're the potential for

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bias the potential for problems is

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always going to be there and that's

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that's the same for researchers as well

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something that I've had levelled at

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myself is academics it's over Christy

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you seem to have made your mind up which

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is a terrible thing to hear so I try

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very hard when I give talks not to

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skeptics cause obviously you know

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preaching to the converted but but that

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there is that potential for experimental

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bias as well so I try to be as objective

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as possible when I'm dealing with with

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participants okay Chrissy what woo what

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paranormal what a cult thing would you

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like to be real if it could be real if

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there was something that was real it was

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scientifically tested all to be real

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that we now think isn't what would you

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like that to be a loch ness monster no I

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stay and you anyone who's being there

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will tell you if it isn't a monster day

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there should be it's it's a spooky

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countryside isn't it oh it's just

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fabulous it's just gorgeous my family

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are from from the north of Scotland and

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it would just be wonderful wouldn't it

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to think that there was its mythical

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enormous beast under the warden agus is

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very very deep I know it would just be

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wonderful there are other great locks

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around there Loch Ness is just one of

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the many great ones and then they would

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probably want their monsters in fact are

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there other monsters in that area of the

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world other than Loch Ness that we don't

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hear about uh I don't think so nobody

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gets all the press or to you know in the

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monster world um there's there's various

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cats mythical not mythical necessarily

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but there's are the ABCs the alien big

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cats I believe they're called in the UK

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yeah well there's I was thinking of like

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the Exmoor pant

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that's more the southwest of England and

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there's been sightings of a giant cat

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you know there are ohms around killing

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sheep and frightened people yeah yeah

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but the Loch Ness that's a pretty good

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one too because it's an unusual spooky

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thing that that that that who knows what

525
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is that all about you know and it's a

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real pity but because it would be kind

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of cute wouldn't it well it would be

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cute but it is also nice foot sort of

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from the sort of environmental

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perspective as well that there is this

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huge beast as this managed to survive

532
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despite everything living down there and

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maybe it's bit breeding and I mean it

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just be brilliant if it was there it

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wouldn't be amazing just drive along you

536
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know six copies there it is with a funny

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wacky with the head that's like Dino

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from the Flintstones here okay I have a

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good time here at the rest of the

540
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conference what it got plan now you're

541
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just gonna have the dinner tonight and

542
00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:10,140
you can relax now all the stress is over

543
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:14,820
well I've got the panel tomorrow so I've

544
00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:16,650
got some tough questions for you then

545
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:18,360
heavenly well yeah what about that look

546
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:19,320
there's monster stuff you're talking

547
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,500
yesterday woman you're drunk yeah so

548
00:22:25,630 --> 00:22:24,360
between now and tomorrow I've got to

549
00:22:27,530 --> 00:22:25,640
come up with something intelligent

550
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:27,540
what's the title of the panel you're

551
00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:30,750
going to be on uh I think it's how to be

552
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:35,190
in half an hour just behave be nice to

553
00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:38,250
people how to be an active skeptic Wow

554
00:22:42,410 --> 00:22:40,980
well well you've done it you've gone

555
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:42,420
along and you've annoyed people that

556
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:43,830
will otherwise having a good time at a

557
00:22:50,150 --> 00:22:47,850
psychic reading that's one element to it

558
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:50,160
but I've got a couple of other little

559
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:52,650
things to say from a psychological point

560
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:54,120
of view well they enjoy the conference

561
00:22:56,660 --> 00:22:55,410
good what do you think of the makeup of

562
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:56,670
the Melbourne conference you bend ok

563
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,930
there's no one in this room yet I was

564
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:00,000
just ring to the empty room but yeah do

565
00:23:03,410 --> 00:23:01,050
you think it's a different makeup

566
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:03,420
there's a lot of younger kids here yes

567
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:05,250
it's an odd mixture that shares

568
00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:06,780
different kind of mixture you've got

569
00:23:12,290 --> 00:23:10,350
your hardcore skeptic skeptic crew you

570
00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:12,300
like which it's always lovely to come

571
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:13,980
back because it's like oh wait to get

572
00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:15,480
you guys yeah I know so that's really

573
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nice but there are a lot of young people

574
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and I felt bad during my talk because I

575
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i think i said in my talk I have this

576
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tendency to sway i'ma let you were just

577
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go on

578
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there you know she was work she's

579
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working blue people if you know what I

580
00:23:31,050 --> 00:23:29,410
mean she's working blue like a working

581
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men's club from the north of England it

582
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was whoever the slums of London I think

583
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:37,360
so yeah there are a lot of young which

584
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is brilliant to see and the students are

585
00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:41,290
great down there you know they've got

586
00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:42,910
the science projects it's brilliant to

587
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:44,740
see that Adams talk was fantastic

588
00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:46,570
talking about his students is 12 year

589
00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:48,670
olds learning about skepticism and and

590
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:50,950
about critical thinking stuff yeah it's

591
00:23:55,020 --> 00:23:53,110
really nice to see that I mean I think

592
00:23:57,390 --> 00:23:55,030
the the whole movement in skepticism

593
00:24:00,270 --> 00:23:57,400
does seem to be shifting there is a much

594
00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:00,280
younger vibe about it I mean soon I'm

595
00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:02,200
gonna be able to me skeptical dinosaur

596
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:04,030
you know having I've got about three

597
00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:06,850
years left or acting before well before

598
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:09,460
time the tire sounds of time slip away

599
00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:11,620
down that glass will see you soon yeah

600
00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:30,850
hi this is scary papi i am ross Fletcher

601
00:24:36,790 --> 00:24:33,350
okay Ross hey we're from a podcast

602
00:24:38,530 --> 00:24:36,800
called oh no Ross and Carrie we find out

603
00:24:39,910 --> 00:24:38,540
what happens when you show up and ask

604
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:39,920
questions we've hung out with the

605
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Cabalists the Mormons we've gone and

606
00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:44,720
gotten ear candle gone to the Sikhs we

607
00:24:48,790 --> 00:24:47,150
show up so you don't have to so find out

608
00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:48,800
where we're going next we'll even have

609
00:24:53,290 --> 00:24:50,900
special episodes where we have famous

610
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:53,300
guests like Brian Dalton from mr. deity

611
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you heard that awesome theme music he

612
00:25:01,690 --> 00:24:57,350
wrote that you should come visit us at

613
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Oh No podcast.com or facebook.com slash

614
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on rack what the hell's honor a cross Oh

615
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in RAC Oh Oh No Ross and Carrie that's

616
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all right now we're human then God in

617
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Newtown enough folks you know may not so

618
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:29,080
well as the reporter from the skeptics

619
00:25:33,509 --> 00:25:31,210
only does such a great job but he

620
00:25:37,769 --> 00:25:33,519
moonlights always he moonlights on radio

621
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:37,779
and he moonlights here doing the MC for

622
00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:40,570
danger by now the danger 5 is a

623
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:42,789
Australian comedy show that's a retro

624
00:25:46,259 --> 00:25:44,710
comedy show if you could imagine the

625
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:46,269
history of World War two seem through

626
00:25:50,369 --> 00:25:48,820
the eyes of Hogan's Heroes and combat

627
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:50,379
captain scarlet and Gerry Anderson

628
00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:51,970
you've got a bit of an idea what's going

629
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:55,960
on danger 5 is is really crazy out there

630
00:25:59,610 --> 00:25:58,090
left field it reminds me of the goons

631
00:26:01,619 --> 00:25:59,620
that reminds me of the goodies it's

632
00:26:03,659 --> 00:26:01,629
monty python all rolled into one and

633
00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:03,669
it's Australia yeah and that's the thing

634
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:05,740
and it tries not to be Australian which

635
00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:07,090
is good to it but it's a fully

636
00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:08,740
Australian production made in Adelaide

637
00:26:13,889 --> 00:26:11,500
and I hope they do do a second season

638
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:13,899
I've just done their first Q&A where

639
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:15,370
their fans came to see them we had about

640
00:26:19,289 --> 00:26:17,740
160 fans here in the vanguard nightclub

641
00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:19,299
in King Street new talent Sydney and

642
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,500
they asked all sorts of questions

643
00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:22,000
Richard asked a few interesting ones as

644
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:23,500
well because of your experience in the

645
00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:25,090
industry rich yeah but let me tell you

646
00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:26,830
this was a very keen audience to see

647
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:28,629
this and they had never been up in front

648
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:30,370
of their fans before this is the first

649
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:32,169
Q&A and I think they should be involved

650
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,700
at comic-con or something like that I

651
00:26:37,619 --> 00:26:35,200
would love to see them at comic-con I

652
00:26:40,889 --> 00:26:37,629
love to see them at DragonCon so you see

653
00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:40,899
here's the clue USA listeners google

654
00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:44,200
danger 5 it's it is about on hulu now

655
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,580
for those people who have hulu in the

656
00:26:50,369 --> 00:26:48,159
States excellent it's really out there

657
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,379
it's new it's it's bizarre it's

658
00:26:54,419 --> 00:26:52,480
different it's not cease its dinosaurs

659
00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:54,429
but it's creative and I really

660
00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:56,200
appreciate that and the only copy i had

661
00:27:00,570 --> 00:26:58,360
of it on DVD i gave to georgia rub when

662
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,580
move at the amazing meeting which he had

663
00:27:04,049 --> 00:27:01,600
so if you want to get a recommendation

664
00:27:05,879 --> 00:27:04,059
for the show ask your drub about danger

665
00:27:07,529 --> 00:27:05,889
fire he loves it and we're going to

666
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:07,539
start a ground swell this is going to

667
00:27:13,259 --> 00:27:10,570
get a ground swell of fans petitioning

668
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:13,269
danger 5 producers to have maynard guest

669
00:27:16,499 --> 00:27:15,129
star yeah i don't know who I could be

670
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,509
but pretty much any character for the

671
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:19,120
Second World War I reckon a finished ski

672
00:27:22,169 --> 00:27:20,710
trooper something like that or even a

673
00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:22,179
reptilian oh I'll be happy to play any

674
00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:24,550
of those parts and as you've done so

675
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:26,920
in the past now back to your normal

676
00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:41,290
program this is ben Radford I'm deputy

677
00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:43,000
editor of skeptical inquirer science

678
00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:44,980
magazine author of six books including

679
00:28:03,070 --> 00:27:47,350
tracking chupacabra and you can find out

680
00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:05,210
well here i am in canberra in the

681
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:08,120
Australian Capital Territory two lovely

682
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:11,460
lovely day here and I'm in the grounds

683
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:14,700
of the Questacon where the local

684
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,710
skeptics the camera skeptics are having

685
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:19,440
a barbecue which is I'm really looking

686
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:21,690
forward to and I'm just taking the

687
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:23,970
opportunity to wander around the public

688
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,460
gardens here which you beautifully laid

689
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:29,340
out there's works of art and I noticed

690
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:30,990
before and I'm just walking up to it now

691
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:32,340
there's a little feature here which

692
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:36,330
squirts sort of water droplets into a

693
00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:40,860
big sort of foamy foggy mist which isn't

694
00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:43,830
happening right now I'll come back to

695
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,270
that one walk across the grass here

696
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:49,500
looking forward to meeting lots of

697
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:51,990
Canberra skeptics today their BBQ

698
00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:54,810
discussing the upcoming convention later

699
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:59,400
in November and of course we're going to

700
00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:01,080
be seeing a screening of here be dragons

701
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:03,420
by Brian Dunning a bit later on today

702
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,030
now I'm walking up to a giant xylophone

703
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:08,220
you can probably hear some kids are

704
00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:13,200
playing with it at the moment it's about

705
00:29:26,270 --> 00:29:14,700
eight feet long I guess in a curt

706
00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:29,130
so the kids running up I'll have a go

707
00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:31,960
here um oh you can hear that interesting

708
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:34,120
acoustics and I'm in this sort of semi

709
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:35,890
circle of giant designer phone it's

710
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:37,809
called the rock xylophone what if I can

711
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:47,230
beat out the skeptic zone theme the

712
00:29:58,290 --> 00:29:50,980
answer is no you can have a turn away

713
00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:58,300
you go there we go that's for you I'll

714
00:30:03,980 --> 00:29:59,830
do you all right do you wanna have a go

715
00:30:07,169 --> 00:30:03,990
to you take that one where they go oh

716
00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:07,179
really cracking it I notice the water

717
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:09,340
feature is now active again let me head

718
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,559
back oh that's lovely on a hot day this

719
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:17,200
would be just heavenly its water vapor

720
00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:22,780
and there's some kids playing in it sort

721
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:25,300
of like steam I better head back to the

722
00:30:35,549 --> 00:30:33,160
BBQ well the BBQ is underway it's so

723
00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:35,559
nice you are under a sort of a large

724
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:38,140
shelter this some barbecues free BBQs

725
00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:40,090
goodness me I do like camera the

726
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:41,950
sausages are on the go I'm with Kevin

727
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:44,200
Davies here Kevin it's so exciting we're

728
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:45,700
going to be looking forward to the big

729
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:47,890
convention later in the year thank you

730
00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:49,270
very much Richard yes well there's we'll

731
00:30:54,299 --> 00:30:51,940
get going all well according to plan at

732
00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:54,309
the moment we have organizing things as

733
00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:56,230
they come up and it's going to be a good

734
00:31:01,380 --> 00:30:58,270
show I'm really looking forward to it of

735
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:01,390
course this year's theme is conspiracy

736
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:03,910
theories and what a wealth of the

737
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:07,000
options there are there one thing can be

738
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:08,320
certain there's always going to be a

739
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:10,390
conspiracy theory about something and of

740
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:12,730
course this is the perfect year to be

741
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,050
the 50th anniversary of the

742
00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:16,480
assassination of JFK so there really was

743
00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:19,420
no other topic yeah I it ties in quite

744
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:21,100
well and we think about it this

745
00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:23,410
political conspiracy theories conspiracy

746
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:26,440
theories about the climate and as we

747
00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:28,330
were chatting earlier there's a lot of

748
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,240
the anti-vaxxers they're basically a hot

749
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,480
conspiracy theorist and chemtrails of

750
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:36,880
course absolutely mean obviously as we

751
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:38,800
all know this barbecue is actually fun

752
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:41,890
by Big Pharma I mean they get giving it

753
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:44,110
away yeah oh sorry it's not me sorry

754
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:47,520
good Big Pharma sausages of it you think

755
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:50,350
it filled with who knows what designed

756
00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:52,930
to control the masses probably chemicals

757
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:55,180
yes absolutely chemicals chemicals

758
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:57,520
chemicals it looks good i'm just gonna

759
00:32:01,080 --> 00:31:59,500
hear some steaks and sausages on the go

760
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:01,090
there is a nice little turn out this is

761
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:03,390
really something you've done for the

762
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:06,220
local skeptical members isn't it yes yes

763
00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:08,950
every year about this time we take a

764
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,750
break from our monthly lecture series

765
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:12,880
and we just put on a social event so

766
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:14,830
sometimes it's at a pub but this year I

767
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:16,450
thought I'd do something different so

768
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:18,310
we'd have a barbecue first and then we

769
00:32:22,290 --> 00:32:20,410
go inside for a free screening of Brian

770
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:22,300
Dunning's here be dragons a guide to

771
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:23,920
critical thinking you're looking forward

772
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:27,130
to that and that's in a just over an

773
00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:28,930
hour away we'll be heading in there the

774
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:30,520
more people will be turning out for that

775
00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:32,170
of course which is really great but i

776
00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:33,940
really like i really like the social

777
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:35,680
aspect of skepticism it's a good chance

778
00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:37,690
to just to have a nice relaxing time a

779
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:39,580
glass of wine which we have absolutely

780
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:43,480
and I can hear the sausages sizzling in

781
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:45,010
the background it's such a nice day here

782
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:48,370
in Canberra and yeah so folks here's the

783
00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:52,000
word keep your eye on the website which

784
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:55,180
is scam bruh skeptics doorbell you came

785
00:33:00,330 --> 00:32:57,970
for skeptics okay you and there we are

786
00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:00,340
using the facebook page that was used

787
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:02,020
for the convention last year we just

788
00:33:06,770 --> 00:33:03,490
took over that I'm going to be using

789
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:06,780
that so that's the same website and

790
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,250
details will be up shortly we're in the

791
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:10,720
process of making the website for the

792
00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:12,100
convention and we've got well of course

793
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:13,720
it's early days the convention is an

794
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:15,250
until November but it's good for people

795
00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:19,120
to plan way ahead make the note in the

796
00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:21,520
diary absolutely 20 seconds 24th of

797
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:24,340
November at CSIRO discovery excellent

798
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,650
stuff Kevin it's going to be a fun year

799
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:29,440
leading up to a great convention looking

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I'm courses hello an ally Dawson to her

801
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,910
that the skeptics on podcasts boasted

802
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:52,500
year this is alvin Deutschland and in

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skeptic affirmed gift a vital

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information Oberon's on the skeptic a

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magazine reserved vvv punt gavey oop a

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punk rock hv dejala vay vay vay pumped

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Evie rupee Paul talked on tons of

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efficient facebook twitter and google+

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join us now for drinking skeptically in

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2002 does lime dazzle Amanda I am dazzle

811
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:52,730
because I'm in Canberra and this I'm in

812
00:35:00,569 --> 00:34:54,980
trouble this is the very first Canberra

813
00:35:05,769 --> 00:35:03,220
well half the people of glasses and half

814
00:35:07,749 --> 00:35:05,779
the people don't there's so many people

815
00:35:09,759 --> 00:35:07,759
here this is fantastic we had a showing

816
00:35:11,739 --> 00:35:09,769
of Brian Dunning's here be dragons today

817
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:11,749
which is really good I'm gonna go around

818
00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:13,670
the room and everybody let the audience

819
00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:16,670
know who you are oh I'm Nick where I'm a

820
00:35:22,989 --> 00:35:21,140
retired scientific minion good enough my

821
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:22,999
name's our manager Val I'm a current

822
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:26,089
minion even better my name's Kevin

823
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:27,529
Davies I'm the president of campus

824
00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:29,720
skeptics that's the best surfer John bun

825
00:35:38,019 --> 00:35:32,180
doc we told you to sit up Michael Green

826
00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:38,029
bomb well said sy was from Twitter loss

827
00:35:43,539 --> 00:35:41,630
from Twitter and and and ADA hello Edith

828
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:43,549
she's clapping her hands folks trust me

829
00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:47,720
she's clever yeah she's delighted to be

830
00:35:51,249 --> 00:35:49,220
here and she's how old eight-month nine

831
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:51,259
months all right Oh mostly get a meal

832
00:35:56,229 --> 00:35:54,529
Lauren I read almost teacher and you up

833
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:56,239
from Twitter to I'm Cheyenne computer is

834
00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:02,960
up Victor skeptic oh it sounds yet and

835
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:05,180
I'm Andrew I work in the aid and

836
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:06,529
development industry and I'm on the

837
00:36:10,180 --> 00:36:08,210
committee of Canberra skeptics so you

838
00:36:12,099 --> 00:36:10,190
are and let me start with you Andrew

839
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:12,109
because those people who went to the

840
00:36:15,099 --> 00:36:13,700
melbourne convention would have

841
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:15,109
remembered well remembered at the end of

842
00:36:19,509 --> 00:36:17,210
the convention there was a brief teaser

843
00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:19,519
trailer for the upcoming Canberra

844
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:21,140
skeptics convention or the Australian

845
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:22,609
skeptic convention here in Canberra in

846
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:24,950
November and you were responsible for

847
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,390
that and that's online isn't it it is

848
00:36:32,049 --> 00:36:28,880
it's online it's if you search youtube

849
00:36:34,450 --> 00:36:32,059
for the australian connection oh yes i

850
00:36:36,249 --> 00:36:34,460
called it you'll find that under under

851
00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:36,259
my account that was a lot of fun to do

852
00:36:40,299 --> 00:36:38,239
actually yeah my friend Liz and I

853
00:36:42,670 --> 00:36:40,309
trooped around to various places in

854
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:42,680
Canberra and I had this script

855
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,180
pre-prepared you might have seen the

856
00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:45,920
script didn't reflected in blizzards

857
00:36:51,729 --> 00:36:48,799
sunglasses but it was a lot of fun to do

858
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:51,739
so we're very happy that that it got a

859
00:36:55,809 --> 00:36:53,930
good reception and for n is that linked

860
00:36:57,339 --> 00:36:55,819
from the Canberra web skeptics website I

861
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,349
think it should be if it's not I think

862
00:37:00,860 --> 00:36:59,760
it I well since I'm the one who's

863
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:00,870
sponsible for the camera skeptics

864
00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:03,390
website I think we should probably make

865
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:06,630
a note under undoubtedly by the time

866
00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:08,970
this goes out it will be but it's it's a

867
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,230
fun video because the upcoming

868
00:37:16,610 --> 00:37:12,780
convention here in November is all about

869
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:16,620
conspiracy theories yeah because as you

870
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:21,180
were reminding us earlier what are you

871
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,530
kidding slowly pour skeptic it's the

872
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:27,000
50th anniversary this year of the

873
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:29,070
assassinations kind of course yes it is

874
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:32,640
so I what better theme for a convention

875
00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:36,230
on such an auspicious date as the as the

876
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:40,470
assassination of JFK so it's all going

877
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:42,150
well all going well and there are so

878
00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:44,540
many things you can weave around

879
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:46,830
conspiracy theories it's endless we were

880
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:48,900
discussing this earlier from chem trails

881
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:50,610
to anti-vaccination to just about

882
00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:52,650
anything a lot a lot of the whoo crowd

883
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,870
we sort of come up against it their

884
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:56,640
heart I think a lot of my conspiracy

885
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:59,130
theorists oh yes and you've got history

886
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,020
conspiracy theories relating to history

887
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:03,720
especially Holocaust denial oh yeah but

888
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:07,560
also 911 conspiracy theories so there's

889
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:10,110
a lot of conspiracy furiously 911

890
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,130
conspiracy that's an awful other the way

891
00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:16,440
lots are a lot more than up in my

892
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:18,990
line of work we what is your line of

893
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,820
work Amanda for our listeners both

894
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:23,520
generally speaking I work in the law

895
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:28,650
enforcement / intelligence field 02 / a

896
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:32,280
secret you you have to be cleared and

897
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:35,820
you're not so its focus one of the arm

898
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:37,560
training things that I've recently done

899
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:39,510
we actually do a presentation on the 911

900
00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:41,970
conspiracy so we had to do an analysis

901
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,340
on one of the conspiracy theories

902
00:38:48,830 --> 00:38:46,320
according to the Pentagon really which

903
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:48,840
was kind of funny yeah Wow and putting

904
00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:51,300
so I had to put all my um my skepticism

905
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:53,550
sort of a little bit back and and treat

906
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,730
it as an analysis based on data rather

907
00:39:00,380 --> 00:38:58,680
than which is actually quite good

908
00:39:03,860 --> 00:39:00,390
because we were forced to look at things

909
00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:03,870
is a whole picture rather than what we

910
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:05,300
would initially believed it ourselves

911
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:07,890
isn't that interesting because I know

912
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,780
with the moon landing so-called moon

913
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:11,680
landing hoax conspiracy it wasn't until

914
00:39:16,349 --> 00:39:14,710
years afterwards that these things came

915
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:16,359
up and I didn't pay the much attention

916
00:39:19,319 --> 00:39:17,410
when they first came out because I

917
00:39:22,319 --> 00:39:19,329
thought that's silly what's next and

918
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:22,329
then they grew in popularity but I can't

919
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:24,430
remember now how long after nine eleven

920
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:26,140
that the conspiracy theories started

921
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:28,300
popping is about two and a half minutes

922
00:39:32,309 --> 00:39:30,550
after yeah yeah about six months after

923
00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:32,319
it I first saw the document come around

924
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,790
which claimed that there were no planes

925
00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:36,640
at the Pentagon the document came around

926
00:39:42,210 --> 00:39:40,030
it was written by some french guy but it

927
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:42,220
was the first one that that that I saw

928
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:44,140
saying that they were there was there

929
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:45,550
were no plane fragments found at the

930
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,930
Pentagon and had photos and everything

931
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:49,839
and I was oh this is so credible yeah

932
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:53,710
right I actually had a person in the

933
00:39:56,609 --> 00:39:54,700
field he probably should have known

934
00:39:59,130 --> 00:39:56,619
better actually tried to tell me why he

935
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,140
believed that the the Pentagon was

936
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:00,880
actually a missile strike and I

937
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:02,650
literally felt like my brain was about

938
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:05,230
to explode and I had to take a breath

939
00:40:11,849 --> 00:40:08,230
and just go don't make him cry and then

940
00:40:14,359 --> 00:40:11,859
say all right why do you have secret

941
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:14,369
ways to inflict up how i do how you do

942
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:18,130
but anyway moving on but yes i had to

943
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,049
say to him you why do you believe this

944
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:22,839
and and what evidence do you have now

945
00:40:26,609 --> 00:40:24,730
I'm just becoming aware of in the last

946
00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:26,619
couple of days these nutters who were

947
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,540
have some sort of Sandy Hook conspiracy

948
00:40:33,299 --> 00:40:31,119
have you seen me yes are not very well

949
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:33,309
I've seen it exists but I haven't looked

950
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:35,650
into it for fear of my sanity we've

951
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:37,750
gotten for Port Arthur as well Port

952
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:39,430
Arthur of course it now Brian Dunning

953
00:40:44,490 --> 00:40:41,770
who is speaking of earlier and we always

954
00:40:46,589 --> 00:40:44,500
now when we speak of fine dining and

955
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:46,599
stand up and sleep he did one of his

956
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:48,910
skipped eyes on the port arthur whole

957
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:50,950
conspiracy thing today what did you

958
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,420
think I thought it was very good i

959
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:54,880
should know what happened very well and

960
00:40:58,980 --> 00:40:57,730
he covered it very very very well and i

961
00:41:00,500 --> 00:40:58,990
took a bit personally with all the

962
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:00,510
conspiracy theories as well as with the

963
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:03,220
Sandy Hook one because that kind of hit

964
00:41:08,819 --> 00:41:06,609
me being in a field and I felt like um

965
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:08,829
the people were honoring what it

966
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:10,540
actually happened the tragedy of what

967
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:12,970
happened by putting up all these and

968
00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:14,920
with and what the latest one is is that

969
00:41:20,099 --> 00:41:16,630
their dramatic actors who were appearing

970
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:20,109
on at the scene to make it out like it

971
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:21,990
was robotics

972
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:24,960
what I'm saying sandy hook yeah dearly

973
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,310
but the Port Arthur was all about the

974
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:29,040
government plan because I don't know any

975
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:30,450
of the details about these new ones

976
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:32,970
about Sandy Hook I'm I wish I could say

977
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:34,920
I was surprised that they've coming up

978
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:37,140
with them but I am really just disgusted

979
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,790
you know yeah I mean I actually was

980
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:40,380
reading for the other night the website

981
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,510
for the UM they were saying that there

982
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:44,400
were these plants that were going in and

983
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:45,660
they were the ones giving a mountain

984
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,060
what I read one and and I actually had

985
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:51,180
to go and had a martini because they

986
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:52,770
actually was saying that this is one

987
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,900
woman appearing on the news reports who

988
00:41:59,900 --> 00:41:56,460
was being one of the agreed he was

989
00:42:02,420 --> 00:41:59,910
appearing with the the guy that his name

990
00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:02,430
the guy that shot up the cinema who was

991
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:03,840
also appearing another thing so their

992
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:06,180
theory was these dramatic actors were

993
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:09,530
hired by the government to appear for

994
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:12,300
for whatever to make it the public think

995
00:42:15,730 --> 00:42:13,410
that this thing actually happen when it

996
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:15,740
was all actually the intention was to

997
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:18,780
ignite the gun control thing or what

998
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:20,910
what was the others of the conspiracy

999
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:22,290
well there's a lot of people in America

1000
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:23,940
who are firmly of the opinion that the

1001
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:25,650
government are out to take all their

1002
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:27,930
weapons away and then control the most

1003
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:34,830
good to be the conspiracy that it is it

1004
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,630
that the that the government

1005
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:38,640
orchestrated this this whole massacre in

1006
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:42,480
order to change manufacture that I think

1007
00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:44,250
so I think so yeah I think they still

1008
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,350
own paradox basically saying that with a

1009
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,880
9 11 hours say that the government

1010
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:50,000
orchestrated the entire thing to to

1011
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:53,250
justify invading you know invading where

1012
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:55,170
they want to invade and go after Saddam

1013
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,380
and go after yeah yeah Port Arthur was

1014
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:01,680
could straighten to let the government

1015
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:04,859
here relieve the population of weapons

1016
00:43:08,359 --> 00:43:06,900
it just made no sense with us though

1017
00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:08,369
there was no connection to it whatsoever

1018
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:10,470
which was a bit disappointing because

1019
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:12,359
I'd expect the conspiracy theorists to

1020
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:14,130
at least put some effort in and make

1021
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:15,960
sure that they mix it just right so well

1022
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,510
they don't have to you know they can

1023
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,920
come up with just about anything and

1024
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:21,119
there'll be a certain percentage of the

1025
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:22,710
population will jump on board with it I

1026
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:24,359
think but a good conspiracy theory is

1027
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:26,220
like a good cake mix here you put the

1028
00:43:31,780 --> 00:43:27,300
right amount

1029
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,790
there's got fruit nuts in it yes nuts

1030
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,440
you put just amount of truth in with it

1031
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:37,140
just a matter of madness nothing this

1032
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:41,160
guy them dope that was for you and we've

1033
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:43,260
just was just the right amount of theory

1034
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:44,670
was just amount of science with right

1035
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,650
just amount of religion and then he'd

1036
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:48,480
out there how long so I got distracted

1037
00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:51,210
by I must say everybody were we're

1038
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,590
having a serious discussion but we're

1039
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:54,240
all peeping out of the corner of her

1040
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:56,670
eyes cuz little ADA is sitting up on her

1041
00:44:02,600 --> 00:43:58,530
mother's knee and she's just won all our

1042
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:02,610
hearts hello Olin and she is the

1043
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,290
youngest skeptic and she's just beaming

1044
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:06,480
at it's all well not it she looks a

1045
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:07,890
little bit scared of a chance I must

1046
00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:09,990
admit I'm i would like to point out that

1047
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:11,340
i think in some ways some of the

1048
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:13,260
conspiracy theorists actually put a lot

1049
00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:15,900
of time and effort into their heritage

1050
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:18,990
but it's like they're try it's like

1051
00:44:23,810 --> 00:44:21,000
they've got the assumption and they're

1052
00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:23,820
trying to make the links to it and they

1053
00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:26,340
just they sure what was the conclusion

1054
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:28,080
like creationists they start with the

1055
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,550
conclusion and then manufacturer

1056
00:44:33,350 --> 00:44:31,200
siblings do it's also an industry

1057
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,360
there's actually that's true element to

1058
00:44:38,330 --> 00:44:35,520
it there's a in forensics what it is is

1059
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:38,340
human nature shots of human condition to

1060
00:44:41,570 --> 00:44:39,780
want to grab for a reason for something

1061
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:41,580
it's what we do we all do it even you do

1062
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,490
it we all do it so what they what they

1063
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:46,560
do is and this is why a lot of them are

1064
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:49,140
so as so successful with their

1065
00:44:52,610 --> 00:44:50,700
conspiracy theories and have such a

1066
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,620
following is that it gives people a

1067
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:54,420
reason for something that they can't

1068
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:56,970
comprehend and if it's something as

1069
00:45:03,560 --> 00:44:59,700
heinous as a whole a lot of death and

1070
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,570
injury our that they um I can't focus

1071
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:06,060
with a cute baby she's clapping out his

1072
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:07,950
phone Jesus is terribly but I can't

1073
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:10,830
focus on getting it really know so

1074
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:12,090
that's what they that's what it does

1075
00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:14,040
it's almost like an addiction in a way

1076
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:15,630
it gets it in part of the brain that

1077
00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:17,460
sort of wants to reach for that and

1078
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:19,620
wants to grab a reason the event has to

1079
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:23,570
match the outcome so looking at JFK

1080
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:26,430
assassination what's easier to believe

1081
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:28,230
that it was some massive grand

1082
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:29,850
conspiracy with

1083
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:32,430
thousands of people involved or was some

1084
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:34,920
pathetic low life which Lee Harvey

1085
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:38,250
Oswald was a nobody and get he killed

1086
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:39,810
one of the most popular presidents in

1087
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:42,210
history Sam would say Diana what makes

1088
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:44,580
more sense grand conspiracy or traveling

1089
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:49,470
too fast no seat belt person the message

1090
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:51,810
I mean this is one of the most lining

1091
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,780
Lee stupid things and a good friend of

1092
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:56,400
mine in fact the announcer Jim will show

1093
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,960
that who announces the skeptic zone each

1094
00:46:02,780 --> 00:46:00,720
week said to me the security guard who

1095
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:02,790
was with Diana at the time utterly

1096
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:04,890
failed Diana was not wearing a seat belt

1097
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:08,160
and the only reason he survived he was

1098
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:11,310
and he's in Australia ah there's a

1099
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:13,410
connection it's it's not so much a

1100
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:15,960
choice if you're not just if you grow up

1101
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:18,270
here you just always put you see that's

1102
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:20,130
true it's automatic oh my god figured it

1103
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:22,290
out it was called hope now for those

1104
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:24,270
listeners listening overseas Harold Holt

1105
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:25,890
was a prime minister in Australia in the

1106
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:29,640
60s who went swimming one day by himself

1107
00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:32,910
not very well apparently not on the

1108
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,860
diving he was scuba diving he was a

1109
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:36,240
strong enough he was a strong enough

1110
00:46:39,350 --> 00:46:37,530
swimmer to swim right out to that

1111
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:39,360
chinese submarine well there you go and

1112
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:41,730
he disappeared and we honored his legacy

1113
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:45,230
by maybe a swimming pool after him

1114
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:48,540
there's anybody here remember that they

1115
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:50,490
when harold holt disappeared in the UK

1116
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:53,010
but i do remember i have been to hawaii

1117
00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:55,650
and I remember how kalica and Captain

1118
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,710
Cook is remember there my god is it well

1119
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:01,200
yes if you go to if you go to the spot

1120
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:02,730
on which he was killed yeah you will

1121
00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:04,920
find a caravan they're selling captain

1122
00:47:16,850 --> 00:47:13,700
cook burgers years ago that is fantastic

1123
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:16,860
well it's horse 20 years ago but I found

1124
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:19,020
of date mater yeah but I think I think

1125
00:47:23,350 --> 00:47:21,390
there is another dimension to conspiracy

1126
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:23,360
theories if you think about the

1127
00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:25,410
conspiracies about the moon landings

1128
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:30,350
well there you have a fantastic

1129
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,850
M true human effort yeah and there's

1130
00:47:39,790 --> 00:47:37,040
trying to be derided for some reason and

1131
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:39,800
I was actually did quite a lot of work

1132
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:41,090
on but in roxas when we run those

1133
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:43,190
reasons I came out to Australia sonu my

1134
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:45,380
boss was going to get them and hardly

1135
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:47,780
fund oh really how come on working and I

1136
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,130
was really surprised because there was

1137
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,960
actually on for research teams because I

1138
00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:52,880
was regarding the only electromagnet

1139
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:54,860
probe lab in the country the time sounds

1140
00:48:01,540 --> 00:47:58,240
great yeah anyway I found myself in a

1141
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:01,550
certain outback town a perhaps I didn't

1142
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:04,850
mention it and staying with the

1143
00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:07,730
secretary for the Rotary Club and he was

1144
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:09,980
the talk secretary now he had to give a

1145
00:48:14,050 --> 00:48:12,530
talk and on moment's notice so I talked

1146
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:14,060
about theories of the formation of the

1147
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:16,250
moon and how we were able to cancel out

1148
00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:17,810
they captured the Aryan blah blah blah

1149
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:21,230
blah blah and Eric talked and then the

1150
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:23,630
questions afterwards we're all on von

1151
00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:27,410
Daniken no no yeah all on von Daniken

1152
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:29,600
and did I think they then as the glands

1153
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,070
blah blah blah all the sort of thing and

1154
00:48:35,770 --> 00:48:33,680
having a drink at the pub in there after

1155
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:35,780
afterwards as well the one guy came up

1156
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:37,700
to me and said do you really think they

1157
00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:39,890
actually landed on the moon and that

1158
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:42,260
this is very you know there's only eight

1159
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:45,230
months afterwards really yeah really i

1160
00:48:50,110 --> 00:48:48,350
thought those 19 and 19 secure yeah they

1161
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:50,120
happen but it wasn't because we should

1162
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:51,800
this just a certain that back time oh

1163
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:55,040
good hands um you know in Australia well

1164
00:48:58,930 --> 00:48:57,590
that's all I'm super Dom Daniken's to

1165
00:49:01,420 --> 00:48:58,940
chariot of the gods or whatever it is

1166
00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:01,430
did them carriage is the gods ? because

1167
00:49:05,350 --> 00:49:03,380
the only coat ? have you seen that

1168
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:05,360
relatively recent documentary called

1169
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:08,810
ancient aliens debunked yes you've seen

1170
00:49:14,110 --> 00:49:11,330
it have you said oh it's it's quite

1171
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:14,120
quite a work quite it was read it oh

1172
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:16,370
it's a documentary goes for three hours

1173
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,480
but it's a methodical undoing of the

1174
00:49:25,330 --> 00:49:22,640
arguments about ancient astronauts an

1175
00:49:28,450 --> 00:49:25,340
ancient technology and it's it's a work

1176
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:28,460
of art isn't it you know I developed a

1177
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:29,690
recent fascination with the ancient

1178
00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:33,080
alien sort of thing that people be here

1179
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:36,830
what is nothing but that would be afraid

1180
00:49:43,410 --> 00:49:39,110
right the engineer at the ancient alien

1181
00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:46,120
but it just it just is so completely

1182
00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:47,750
silly to me and just watching this

1183
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:49,190
document and watching how they tear

1184
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:51,530
because they break it down and watching

1185
00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:54,560
how people are just cling to this stupid

1186
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:57,140
stupid stupid thing and just for the

1187
00:50:01,960 --> 00:49:58,370
sake of the fact that they've probably

1188
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:01,970
got no girlfriend it might be true than

1189
00:50:04,750 --> 00:50:03,590
what you say now folks we normally do

1190
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:04,760
the think tank of course from our

1191
00:50:07,660 --> 00:50:05,900
favorite club down the end of the street

1192
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,670
in the Chinese restaurant today we're at

1193
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:10,640
King O'Malley's here in Canberra which

1194
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,770
is a wonderful place it says where it is

1195
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,480
in a sort of a sitting room with books

1196
00:50:18,910 --> 00:50:16,400
on the shelves and leather couches and

1197
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:18,920
hand side is it I can't read that

1198
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:20,930
parliamentary debate I figured we could

1199
00:50:26,770 --> 00:50:23,930
do a dramatic recitation maybe we could

1200
00:50:30,550 --> 00:50:26,780
and there are no bus announcements but

1201
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:30,560
there are people claim with dishes under

1202
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:33,350
the desk I can pig out I'm a bigger if

1203
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:37,280
Evans wants to be Cheryl Carter now for

1204
00:50:41,410 --> 00:50:39,500
the benefit of value for the benefit of

1205
00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:41,420
our international listeners and our

1206
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:43,190
Australian listeners we won't be waiting

1207
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:46,310
from inside after all you just ruin all

1208
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:48,200
my fun day I know I just lost half your

1209
00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:50,900
listeners anyway might want to edit that

1210
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:53,000
bit out now you have regular meetings

1211
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:55,610
here the camera people at this pub yes

1212
00:51:01,300 --> 00:50:58,010
we have them once a month for a skeptics

1213
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,310
in the pub it's a bit of a chance third

1214
00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:04,160
Sunday of every month it's andrew runs

1215
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:06,020
the show for this one for the skeptics

1216
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:07,550
in the pub just gives chance a bit

1217
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:10,910
people a chance to meet up and chat it's

1218
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:12,230
a little bit different from our monthly

1219
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:14,570
lecture series which we also hold on

1220
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:17,510
weekends now but I've got a few ideas

1221
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:18,980
for things I'd like to see done

1222
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:21,230
throughout the year so we I must admit

1223
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:23,090
i'm quite jealous businesses are really

1224
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:24,680
not do you come up to this room what you

1225
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:26,090
have in the bigger room downstairs it

1226
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:32,240
depends really we usually start out in

1227
00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:34,370
the snug because it's really nice and

1228
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:35,840
comfortable but if we get too many

1229
00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:37,850
people will go down on okay go for the

1230
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:39,260
rest of the pub because it's the

1231
00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:41,150
Lighting's loathe it's got green walls

1232
00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:43,160
and funny pictures and rio another

1233
00:51:49,090 --> 00:51:46,430
about so it's it's good this is

1234
00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:49,100
very important Oh

1235
00:51:55,870 --> 00:51:51,830
hey des wants to go to comment station a

1236
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,880
ton can you sink hand side well she

1237
00:51:59,620 --> 00:51:57,920
nearly swiped the microphone off my hand

1238
00:52:07,330 --> 00:51:59,630
she wants to say oh no she's going for a

1239
00:52:08,770 --> 00:52:07,340
drink the shoe 21 oh she 18 wasn't come

1240
00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:08,780
on I to give us what do you think of the

1241
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:10,340
ancient it is yes what do you think of

1242
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:13,190
ancient aliens you know everybody in the

1243
00:52:16,450 --> 00:52:14,810
room is making juice oh she's clapping

1244
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:16,460
alright we're not trying to get a baby

1245
00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:17,930
to do something you know what that's

1246
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:22,280
like nobody but me today so let's get

1247
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,930
back to conspiracy theories because as

1248
00:52:27,550 --> 00:52:25,520
we mentioned before it is the topic of

1249
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:27,560
the convention and as you can see just

1250
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:29,510
by our little chat now this is an

1251
00:52:33,820 --> 00:52:31,370
endless well there's a lot of stuff mean

1252
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:33,830
I thought John's heard a few conspiracy

1253
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:35,420
theories to do with the law no doubt no

1254
00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:38,570
time I don't know no I not many legal of

1255
00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:40,550
conspiracy theories yeah we don't like

1256
00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:42,950
the law not into it it's a bit hard

1257
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:45,640
because you've got solid reported cases

1258
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:49,250
transcripts and things like me Glory's

1259
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:52,190
behind the cases that yeah fantasies we

1260
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:53,750
get people writing and we get the

1261
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:55,430
benefit of reading as like to call it

1262
00:52:59,440 --> 00:52:57,950
the nut emails and people riding in

1263
00:53:02,680 --> 00:52:59,450
telling us at the various conspiracy

1264
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,690
theories and they go from quite quite

1265
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:04,640
disturbing to really entertaining and

1266
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:08,720
one guy had actually created a bed that

1267
00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:11,810
was made of foil and because I just

1268
00:53:16,270 --> 00:53:14,060
stopped the telepathic government

1269
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:16,280
messages from entering his head he built

1270
00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:19,940
it and he sent us the photos and then he

1271
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:22,070
rang me later he rang out office later

1272
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:24,490
and said that he wanted to to talk about

1273
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:27,050
photon torpedoes and I she said dude

1274
00:53:32,770 --> 00:53:29,110
I've seen that episode of Star Trek

1275
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:32,780
photon torpedoes I see I did know a chop

1276
00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:34,850
coming to see me when I was practicing

1277
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:37,550
as a private solicitor and his problem

1278
00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:41,990
was that azo had implanted things in all

1279
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:46,220
televisions whenever whenever this

1280
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,470
person this month walk into a room as a

1281
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:50,480
television there it would turn and look

1282
00:53:56,980 --> 00:53:55,790
at him I don't know what what's could he

1283
00:53:59,590 --> 00:53:56,990
could do about it he was asking about

1284
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,600
legal adviser idea I advised him it was

1285
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:01,760
not the sort of case that I I was

1286
00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:03,990
experiencing

1287
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:07,390
we had our we get we had one guy call us

1288
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:09,970
saying that he was actually supposed to

1289
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:12,760
be knighted by queen elizabeth and that

1290
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:14,770
he was owed a lamber good at lamborghini

1291
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:17,290
and this is what he wanted and he was

1292
00:54:23,310 --> 00:54:19,420
waiting for his payment so I said that

1293
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:23,320
was me well I got some news for you it

1294
00:54:29,130 --> 00:54:25,450
ain't good no one's going to be calling

1295
00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:29,140
you so anything but the week I think we

1296
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:30,520
get them because people think we're

1297
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:32,410
either a part of it or we can stuff them

1298
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:34,150
all done it don't even know what it is

1299
00:54:41,310 --> 00:54:39,010
but we get we get people coming to us

1300
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:41,320
saying that the that the government are

1301
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:43,720
after them and while it's funny to joke

1302
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:45,730
about it there's a real concerning

1303
00:54:50,910 --> 00:54:49,510
element that's attached to it and it has

1304
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:50,920
to do it these fact that these people a

1305
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:52,450
lot of these people just troublemakers

1306
00:54:57,540 --> 00:54:54,340
but there are some who have very real

1307
00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:57,550
mental health issues and they truly

1308
00:55:01,800 --> 00:54:59,290
believe this stuff and this is what

1309
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:01,810
turns them into dangerous people this is

1310
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:04,780
what happens at the end of it so while

1311
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:08,290
I'm and also we have to we have to sort

1312
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:10,210
of separate what's their mad ravings to

1313
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:12,910
see there's actually any legitimacy ah

1314
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:14,380
there could be a threat of truth there

1315
00:55:17,550 --> 00:55:15,940
right it could have been for ms so

1316
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:17,560
therefore we have to put so we use

1317
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:19,690
skepticism we use critical thinking in

1318
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:21,820
order to pull it all apart not all make

1319
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:23,260
me think it's going to be you know a

1320
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:25,540
crazy conspiracy theory and see what if

1321
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,660
there's anything there that's value and

1322
00:55:32,180 --> 00:55:29,920
it's quite sad because you have to

1323
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:32,190
literally get into their thought patent

1324
00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:35,890
have a similar procedure I'll look I

1325
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:38,590
used to work for sent a link at the

1326
00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:41,650
Civic offices so centerlink Canberra all

1327
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:43,870
correspondence would come to us and of

1328
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:45,430
course central links head office is

1329
00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:48,430
integrin on but most people just will

1330
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:50,590
just write Centrelink Canberra and send

1331
00:55:55,590 --> 00:55:52,540
the letter of overseas this is a

1332
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Centrelink is the Department of Social

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00:55:59,970 --> 00:55:58,570
Security right yes and there are

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payments for people who are mentally ill

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00:56:09,859 --> 00:56:08,359
curiously though we would actually have

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00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:09,869
to read all of the letters that came in

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00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:13,410
and if there was anything that was

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00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:16,619
threatening or anything that did have to

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00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:19,920
be acted upon that would be sent through

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00:56:23,620 --> 00:56:21,630
to relevant sections if it was actually

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00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:23,630
something for us which was fairly rare

1342
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,859
we would get that but there was usually

1343
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:28,079
half of the mail was just because we

1344
00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:30,690
happen to be the Canberra office would

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:36,150
be ravings really 10 basic curiously

1346
00:56:42,739 --> 00:56:39,690
though I saw a 10-page just all with

1347
00:56:44,569 --> 00:56:42,749
little cut little writing and so no hard

1348
00:56:46,219 --> 00:56:44,579
to follow at some point a lot of them

1349
00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:46,229
you can tell because you can tell by the

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00:56:50,660 --> 00:56:47,789
syntax of their handwriting but a lot of

1351
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:50,670
them actually are very big writing very

1352
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:53,579
school we had I had one anything into it

1353
00:56:58,849 --> 00:56:56,729
gets messy and large we have the crazy

1354
00:57:00,440 --> 00:56:58,859
people you wanted to come say I had a

1355
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:00,450
psychic vision that this is where

1356
00:57:05,779 --> 00:57:03,650
jonbenet ramsey's and the closer we get

1357
00:57:07,729 --> 00:57:05,789
especially when the media comes up with

1358
00:57:09,859 --> 00:57:07,739
a new story so we will get will get the

1359
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:09,869
emails and will get the letters so part

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00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:11,339
of what we have to do is actually look

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00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,950
at them analyze them and figure out if

1362
00:57:18,529 --> 00:57:16,559
there's any what exactly is going on and

1363
00:57:20,269 --> 00:57:18,539
they are written across the page down

1364
00:57:22,249 --> 00:57:20,279
the page diagonal there are pictures and

1365
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,259
some guy had something that was just

1366
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,079
didn't make any sense whatsoever and

1367
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:26,640
basically they were saying that the

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00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:28,920
government was wanting to take her away

1369
00:57:32,269 --> 00:57:30,359
as part of this massive government

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00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,279
conspiracy that the children hidden away

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00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:34,559
for government use that everyone was in

1372
00:57:38,749 --> 00:57:36,210
on it and by the way the Reptoids had

1373
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:38,759
everything to do with it Oh Reptoids

1374
00:57:42,859 --> 00:57:41,339
again always those damned Reptoids slow

1375
00:57:44,959 --> 00:57:42,869
music you must get a few conspiracy

1376
00:57:49,450 --> 00:57:44,969
theory sent your way emails and all that

1377
00:57:52,339 --> 00:57:49,460
ah well yes yeah I absolutely do but I

1378
00:57:54,349 --> 00:57:52,349
what I might do in the way of wrapping

1379
00:57:55,789 --> 00:57:54,359
up the comment on conspiracy theories is

1380
00:57:57,620 --> 00:57:55,799
getting back to the moon one because

1381
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,630
it's a good case in point where I was

1382
00:58:00,859 --> 00:57:59,460
very I was really surprised when all

1383
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,869
these conspiracy theories came up and

1384
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,339
about 10 years ago i think they reached

1385
00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:04,079
their height and they bubbled up there

1386
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:06,390
for a while and then it wasn't that many

1387
00:58:10,099 --> 00:58:08,099
years ago we got high resolution

1388
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:10,109
pictures back of the landing sites which

1389
00:58:13,789 --> 00:58:12,089
we're clearly showing tire tracks and

1390
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:13,799
footprints and the flag is still there

1391
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:15,250
and all that sort of stuff

1392
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:17,230
and I must admit I haven't heard much

1393
00:58:21,330 --> 00:58:19,630
people making fuss about moon landing

1394
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:21,340
conspiracies since then some maybe it

1395
00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:23,290
helped that state that means that it's

1396
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:24,790
all been staged you see what they do

1397
00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:26,530
they take this thing is I dis idea

1398
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:28,870
that's fine however this is what we say

1399
00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:30,550
is there is so their footprints and

1400
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:32,020
everything like that is obviously being

1401
00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:34,290
staged on a movie like so you did it

1402
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:37,600
sorry I I have to play devil's advocate

1403
00:58:41,970 --> 00:58:40,060
and feel free to edit this out but when

1404
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:41,980
nasa released the first photos from

1405
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:44,020
viking they really shot themselves in

1406
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:46,810
the foot they twisted the color balance

1407
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:49,390
so that the sky would be red do they I

1408
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:51,780
didn't say that that's why there's the

1409
00:58:58,530 --> 00:58:55,930
red white and blue US flag it's the in

1410
00:59:00,270 --> 00:58:58,540
clear shot on the yeah Viking Lander the

1411
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:00,280
first shot is there to color balance

1412
00:59:04,650 --> 00:59:03,010
yeah yeah and you can tell from the

1413
00:59:09,180 --> 00:59:04,660
photo that colors are all out of whack

1414
00:59:11,010 --> 00:59:09,190
and they knew it no they disability for

1415
00:59:14,010 --> 00:59:11,020
reasons they thought were valid know it

1416
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:14,020
by the boss of NASA who's a political

1417
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:16,090
appointee exactly I'm sorry member of

1418
00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:20,830
the Illuminati yeah it's just they have

1419
00:59:25,140 --> 00:59:22,180
shot themselves in the foot in the past

1420
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:25,150
so yeah yeah I bet you that's fair

1421
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:27,490
enough but never put down to conspiracy

1422
00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:29,350
built that which can be explained by

1423
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:31,270
simple in confidence yes that I like

1424
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:33,970
that I like that one yes sometimes it's

1425
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:34,990
not a big thing it's just sometimes

1426
00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:37,960
people screwed it up simply it's a good

1427
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:39,340
lesson also comes back to our comes

1428
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:40,690
razor of course you know what's more

1429
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:42,490
easy that some guy shot the president or

1430
00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:45,160
there was this huge industry almost in

1431
00:59:48,090 --> 00:59:46,360
covering it up and planning and

1432
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:48,100
executing and all the rest of it I i

1433
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:51,010
think the bingo Aidan something yes ada

1434
01:00:01,860 --> 00:59:57,970
yes what do you think realizing a bill

1435
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:01,870
cosby line is his daughter saying hello

1436
01:00:08,910 --> 01:00:04,330
so bill cosby rings up his mother so say

1437
01:00:11,490 --> 01:00:08,920
hello daughter goes hello can you say

1438
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:14,680
I was her hitting the microphone I like

1439
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:17,930
what Neil deGrasse Tyson said about the

1440
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,510
moon conspiracy if you're sitting on top

1441
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:22,640
of the Saturn five where else are you

1442
01:00:29,650 --> 01:00:28,010
going to go I was in one of his one of

1443
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,660
his interviews I've been looking at a

1444
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:31,520
lot of his interviews recently he's a

1445
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:33,140
good man a good man well look I'd like

1446
01:00:37,090 --> 01:00:34,370
to thank everybody for coming along

1447
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:37,100
today to see here be dragons and we nod

1448
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:38,690
to Brian Dunning of course well I

1449
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:41,090
noticed i noted it load gloat about what

1450
01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:45,290
gloat about the avian all right no we go

1451
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:47,480
we can load quickly about the australian

1452
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:49,850
anti-vaccination but grade who are going

1453
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:50,990
to be called something else soon and

1454
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:53,330
probably then disappear that's so what's

1455
01:01:01,870 --> 01:00:59,210
the sound for gloat No thank you I'm

1456
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:01,880
glad you cut that with him I like to

1457
01:01:05,380 --> 01:01:03,110
thank everybody for coming along here

1458
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,390
what a fine turnout it was for here be

1459
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:07,280
dragons shown in Canberra which was a

1460
01:01:11,530 --> 01:01:09,590
fantastic effort and a good barbecue

1461
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,540
beforehand and a lovely social

1462
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:13,280
opportunity here at King O'Malley's

1463
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:16,550
afterwards so from the Canberra think

1464
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:18,140
tank I'd like to say thank you and

1465
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:20,510
cheers everybody

1466
01:01:49,980 --> 01:01:47,340
greetings skeptics them mrs. do you know

1467
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:49,990
what to do in August come to Stockholm

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01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:53,050
Sweden and meet astronaut case better

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01:02:01,290 --> 01:01:57,370
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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:01,300
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01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:04,330
journalist an abyssea peel and many more

1472
01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:07,950
and the 15th European skeptics Congress

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01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:11,350
Friday the twenty-third to Sunday the

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01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:15,220
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01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:19,900
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01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:43,420
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01:02:47,539 --> 01:02:46,249
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01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:47,549
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01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:49,950
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01:03:22,609 --> 01:03:19,200
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1492
01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:22,619
solar flare look out for solar flare and

1493
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:24,839
might be a bit cryptic but it will make

1494
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:30,000
sense before long solar flare but for

1495
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:32,490
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01:03:42,259 --> 01:03:39,000
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01:03:46,819 --> 01:03:42,269
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